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Subject: Re: Op amp front end noise
From: ChrisAtUpw@.......
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:02:55 EST
In a message dated 11/03/2005, jpopelish@........ writes:
(snip advice on wiring, circuit board and resistor thermoelectric
effects)
> You can bolt a Cu chip cover strip onto the board.
> This is preferable to trying to reduce the dissipation by
> reducing the supply voltage.
How so? Preferable for what reasons?
Hi John,
You are at most going to make a 50% reduction in the power, which is
better controlled by efficient heat sinking. What you definitely do not want to
do is to operate near the lower voltage limit with degraded performance and
less 'headroom'.
> Seismometer amplifiers often have two distinct gain stages, with
> a high pass filter set to maybe 20 to 30 sec in between. This will
> greatly reduce thermal error signals and 1/f noise at the output.
I am looking at using an integrator as negative feedback from the
output back to the second or third stage to actively null the output
drift, instead of putting a large capacitor in the forward signal
path. This reduces the net offset to the offset of the integrator,
instead of being the amplifier offset of the input where a series
capacitor would normally be used. I think it is also easier to get a
low noise, low frequency high pass corner frequency this way. Have
you any criticism of this technique?
Yes. You will still see the large 1/f deviations at the output, which are of
no interest and contain no information. You may find it difficult to make it
stable over several opamps, especially if the gain is variable. If you want
a sharper cutoff, why not use a two pole high pass filter?
Regards,
Chris Chapman
In a message dated 11/03/2005, jpopelish@........ writes:
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