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Subject: Seismic Signature of Tornadoes
From: Thomas Dick dickthomas01@.............
Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 10:05:42 -0500
Since things are quiet on the network lately and even Geoff has
commented on this subject in the past, I'd like to return to this
issue......on Steve Jones' Facebook page,
http://alabamaquake.com/reports.html#Tornado_Seismic_Signature a couple
of paragraphs on the above issue surfaced lately. (_Tornado Detection
Based on __
__Seismic Signal," Tatom/Knupp/Vitton; 18 July 1994_) I replied to his
post with this:
I got strongly criticized by the Paducah regional weather people and
pulled back after the initial discussion on PSN network. But, I have
spent many hours studying weather and what I see on the seismic
equipment. I learned to recognize the signatures of strong storms off
the coast of Alaska, Great Lakes, east coast and off the SE coast of
Greenland....even hurricanes in the Gulf. This is what I know. The Ohio
group that suggested a peak around .15 to .25 Hz were seeing Great Lakes
waves/wind....not a tornado. I have learned what to expect on the N-S
or E-W Lehman.
Frank Tatom called the US array system to my attention. I examined the
Harrisburg, ILL tornado data and felt it was too short of a path. I also
did extensive study on the Henryville, IN tornado which actually went
over into Kentucky. I felt that the hilly terrain confuses the issue....
it is still too early, we are still doing preliminary
study/investigation work. I also used the USArray to look at the
Oakland City, IN macroburst.
I honestly can't say I can put my finger on a specific frequency that
fits all these situations. IU claimed they saw something in the
Harrisburg data (which I believe), but it was more likely the collapse
of the storm cell .... something like I saw on the Oakland City, IN
macroburst.
Tatom and Vitton were looking for a specific frequency; something that a
detector could easily recognize. I really believe it exists. Personally
I suspect it to be higher than .2 Hz. I spent time interviewing people
who experienced the tornado I brought to the PSN network for discussion.
I did the same in conjunction with the Branson, MO tornado as well as
Joplin, MO. If those who experienced these tornadoes say anything about
hearing the tornado, they all agree it sounded somewhat like a train.
Wind by itself creates sound too....ever hear the upstairs wind howl?
Even earthquakes can emit "sound", don't you agree? Logically, this common
thread of "sound" must be a clue to either higher or lower creator of
the "sound" exists BUT NOT this .2 Hz. What we hear may even be
harmonics of the original frequency.
This last two sentences have haunted me all night. Sound is a common
denominator. Have I missed something? Where do we look?
Since things are quiet on the network lately and even Geoff has
commented on this subject in the past, I'd like to return to this
issue......on Steve Jones' Facebook page, http://alabamaquake.com/reports.html#Tornado_Seismic_Signature
a couple of paragraphs on the above issue surfaced lately. (Tornado
Detection Based on
Seismic Signal,” Tatom/Knupp/Vitton; 18 July 1994) I
replied to his post with this:
I got strongly criticized by the Paducah regional weather people and
pulled back after the initial discussion on PSN network. But, I have
spent many hours studying weather and what I see on the seismic
equipment. I learned to recognize the signatures of strong storms off
the coast of Alaska, Great Lakes, east coast and off the SE coast of
Greenland....even hurricanes in the Gulf. This is what I know. The Ohio
group that suggested a peak around .15 to .25 Hz were seeing Great Lakes
waves/wind....not a tornado. I have learned what to expect on the N-S
or E-W Lehman.
Frank Tatom called the US array system to my attention. I examined the
Harrisburg, ILL tornado data and felt it was too short of a path. I also
did extensive study on the Henryville, IN tornado which actually went
over into Kentucky. I felt that the hilly terrain confuses the issue....
it is still too early, we are still doing preliminary
study/investigation work. I also used the USArray to look at the
Oakland City, IN macroburst.
I honestly can't say I can put my finger on a specific frequency that
fits all these situations. IU claimed they saw something in the
Harrisburg data (which I believe), but it was more likely the collapse
of the storm cell .... something like I saw on the Oakland City, IN
macroburst.
Tatom and Vitton were looking for a specific frequency; something that a
detector could easily recognize. I really believe it exists. Personally
I suspect it to be higher than .2 Hz. I spent time interviewing people
who experienced the tornado I brought to the PSN network for discussion.
I did the same in conjunction with the Branson, MO tornado as well as
Joplin, MO. If those who experienced these tornadoes say anything about
hearing the tornado, they all agree it sounded somewhat like a train.
Wind by itself creates sound too....ever hear the upstairs wind howl?
Even earthquakes can emit "sound", don't you agree? Logically, this common
thread of "sound" must be a clue to either higher or lower creator of
the "sound" exists BUT NOT this .2 Hz. What we hear may even be
harmonics of the original frequency.
This last two sentences have haunted me all night. Sound is a common
denominator. Have I missed something? Where do we look?
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