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Subject: Re: Seismic Signature of Tornadoes
From: Thomas Dick dickthomas01@.............
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 14:46:59 -0500
Geoff, I was hoping to get your input:
1st YOU were the one who gave me a calibration of the width of the
Newburgh tornado path BUT you wouldn't answer me on PSN
2nd YOU have expertize that most don't -- submarine experience where
sounds are more important that what you can see!
The point even I missed in my original post is the ONE thing tornadoes
and earthquakes have in common ---SOUND!!!!
The seismic unit detects the sound that a tornado makes .... that sound
is up to 200 mph
AND .... your thoughts indicate why the frequency is hard to set ...
> 1. the debris bouncing on the ground like autos or trees being ripped
> from the ground
2. in a sense you are thinking of where the sound is coming from
--- is it from the tornado or from the "tail" of incoming wind front
creating the updraft (which could be 30 miles away)
3. tornadoes have small focal points but high energy ---
4. Small usually means higher frequencies. ---- why did you say that?
and let me add---
5. change in elevation along the path may also play a part and may
cause changes in size, frequency and noise produced...and is it possible
to see the effects of bouncing storm cells collapsing and hitting the
ground .... even the tornado skips over some areas. There are
photographs showing this skipping nature of tornadoes as well as the
collapse of a storm cell.... but we haven't looked at our seismic data
that close.
The amateurs look for how far away I can detect a quake and how many
reflections I can see. while the professionals are looking at the depth
of the quake and speed of the P wave because money exists if they can
show an increased hazard in an area. I am not saying this direction of
scientific endeavor is wrong but there are many other areas wanting time
and effort. I wish I weren't so old.
How many tornadoes have you "experienced"; for me it is only two or
three. I was about 200 yds away from one but it did not have a sound I
could hear. I have interviewed many who experienced one...and
earthquakes? Have you ever heard an earthquake? Yes I have --- at least
three. sound is a common denominator! Why?
Question --- Is the sound we hear in an earthquake caused only by
surface waves? And for a tornado? Check you Lehmans. Look for a strong
low maybe over 2000 miles away (or as close as the Great Lakes) --- one
of your Lehmans will appear more "nervous" or active than the other. If
we can detect 40 to 60 miles per hour disturbances when they are that
far away, why couldn't we detect a 200 mph disturbance five miles away?
Tom Dick, the agitator
Now I have a mag 5+ in Honduras to process
Geoff, I was hoping to get your input:
1st YOU were the one who gave me a calibration of the width of the
Newburgh tornado path BUT you wouldn't answer me on PSN
2nd YOU have expertize that most don't -- submarine experience
where sounds are more important that what you can see!
The point even I missed in my original post is the ONE thing
tornadoes and earthquakes have in common ---SOUND!!!!
The seismic unit detects the sound that a tornado makes .... that
sound is up to 200 mph
AND .... your thoughts indicate why the frequency is hard to set
...
1. the debris bouncing on the ground
like autos or trees being ripped from the ground
2. in a sense you are thinking of where the sound is coming
from --- is it from the tornado or from the "tail" of incoming wind
front creating the updraft (which could be 30 miles away)
3. tornadoes have small focal points but high energy ---
4. Small usually means higher frequencies. ---- why did you say
that?
and let me add---
5. change in elevation along the path may also play a part and
may cause changes in size, frequency and noise produced...and is it
possible to see the effects of bouncing storm cells collapsing and
hitting the ground .... even the tornado skips over some areas.
There are photographs showing this skipping nature of tornadoes as
well as the collapse of a storm cell.... but we haven't looked at
our seismic data that close.
The amateurs look for how far away I can detect a quake and how
many reflections I can see. while the professionals are looking at
the depth of the quake and speed of the P wave because money exists
if they can show an increased hazard in an area. I am not saying
this direction of scientific endeavor is wrong but there are many
other areas wanting time and effort. I wish I weren't so old.
How many tornadoes have you "experienced"; for me it is only two or
three. I was about 200 yds away from one but it did not have a sound
I could hear. I have interviewed many who experienced one...and
earthquakes? Have you ever heard an earthquake? Yes I have --- at
least three. sound is a common denominator! Why?
Question --- Is the sound we hear in an earthquake caused only by
surface waves? And for a tornado? Check you Lehmans. Look for a
strong low maybe over 2000 miles away (or as close as the Great
Lakes) --- one of your Lehmans will appear more "nervous" or active
than the other. If we can detect 40 to 60 miles per hour
disturbances when they are that far away, why couldn't we detect a
200 mph disturbance five miles away?
Tom Dick, the agitator
Now I have a mag 5+ in Honduras to process
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